Joe Rogan and comedy allies debate sports history and wild road gigs

#2539 - Protect Our Parks 17

This episode offers a raw, behind-the-scenes look at the comedy industry, contrasting early road struggles with the realities of modern fame and viral culture.

3 key takeaways
  1. 1Joe Rogan attempts to convince Mark Normand to move to Austin by offering a free condo and regular stage time.
  2. 2The comedians trace the evolution of sports and media from 1980s basketball physicality to modern viral internet culture.
  3. 3Unfiltered road stories reveal the bizarre realities of performing stand-up in international venues like Saudi Arabia.

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Shane Gillis shares a legendary story about an impromptu New York comedy show featuring Dave Chappelle, Louis C.K., and Chris Rock.

The brief

Comedians Shane Gillis, Mark Normand, and Ari Shaffir join Joe Rogan for another unfiltered Protect Our Parks session, trading wild road stories and debating everything from early martial arts history to ancient military sexuality.

Between drinks, the group contrasts the modern, highly publicized WNBA with the physical NBA of the 1980s, while Rogan attempts to lure Normand back to the United States from London with the promise of a free apartment in Austin.

Gillis steals the show by recounting a legendary night in New York when Dave Chappelle hosted an impromptu, unannounced stand-up set featuring himself, Louis C.K., and Chris Rock, all performing in front of a tiny crowd.

The conversation highlights how stand-up comedy has evolved, comparing the freedom of the pre-smartphone era to the modern landscape of viral clips, international gigs, and changing social norms.

What was said on this episode

164 statements · 60 positive · 73 negative · 4 mixed · 27 neutral

  1. Joe Roganon WNBANegative5:35

    The WNBA has adopted an indefensible position on defining women.

    “they've painted themselves into the most loony position where they can't define what a woman is”

    Listen at 5:35

  2. A male athlete presenting as a woman is a strategically smart move.

    “this thing that he's doing where he's pretending that he's a woman is very smart”

    Listen at 6:12

  3. A transgender woman on a French basketball team dominates competition.

    “there's a transgender woman on the team. Just dominates.”

    Listen at 6:39

  4. WNBA ticket sales have increased amid the controversy.

    “the ticket sales are up”

    Listen at 6:47

  5. Shane Gillison WNBANegative8:03

    The WNBA historically had very low viewership and persistent financial losses.

    “Nobody watched the league forever. It hemorrhaged money forever.”

    Listen at 8:03

  6. Mark Normandon WNBAPositive8:07

    The WNBA was profitable in the previous year.

    “profitable year last year”

    Listen at 8:07

  7. Testosterone treatment makes trans men infertile.

    “taking all the testosterone, it makes them infertile”

    Listen at 15:41

  8. WNBA eligibility should require XX chromosomes.

    “if you want to play in the wnba, you have to have xx”

    Listen at 18:05

  9. Joe Roganon Twitter bansPositive19:15

    Being banned from Twitter probably improves users' psychological longevity.

    “Psychologically, they probably have added years onto their lives.”

    Listen at 19:15

  10. Twitter now restricts monetization to original or accurate content.

    “you can only get paid for original or accurate content”

    Listen at 19:45

  11. Foreign companies generated fake Twitter accounts and stories to earn money.

    “these foreign companies would just make thousands of fucking fake accounts and then maybe millions and then make a bunch of fake stories”

    Listen at 20:05

  12. Joe Roganon Malibu wildfireNegative23:42

    The Malibu wildfire was deliberately started by arson.

    “That was arson.”

    Listen at 23:42

  13. No perpetrator has been publicly identified or proven responsible for Patagonia's recent fires.

    “No one has been publicly identified or proven to start the recent Patagonia fires in Argentina.”

    Listen at 24:43

  14. Argentine law permits protected rural land sales to foreigners after fires.

    “protected rural conservative land can now be sold to foreign private entities once a fire passes through it”

    Listen at 26:31

  15. A UFC event at the White House will never happen again in human history.

    “this is never going to happen again in human history”

    Listen at 29:27

  16. The fighter's provocative remark was a smart publicity strategy because it sustained attention.

    “He did a smart thing. I mean, it's very rude. It's very rude, but it's a smart thing because we're all still talking about it.”

    Listen at 32:59

  17. The fighter will become a superstar if he wins his next UFC appearance.

    “And if he wins, he's a superstar.”

    Listen at 33:26

  18. The fighter probably doubled his income through the Michelle Obama insult.

    “And he probably doubled his income by saying, Michelle Obama's a man.”

    Listen at 33:28

  19. Joe Roganon UFC fighter payPositive33:28

    The provocative remark probably doubled the fighter's income.

    “he probably doubled his income by saying, Michelle Obama's a man”

    Listen at 33:28

  20. The Playboy Mansion’s surrounding land might be worth $100 million.

    “That amount of land might be worth a hundred million dollars.”

    Listen at 36:32

  21. Joe Roganon Seiko watchesPositive45:11

    Seiko watches can withstand extreme conditions and last indefinitely.

    “They last forever. You could fucking run them through the mud.”

    Listen at 45:11

  22. Texas cannabis restrictions will eventually shift the state toward Democratic voting.

    “You will this place up and you will turn the whole thing blue.”

    Listen at 49:34

  23. Banning cannabis will cause young people to turn against Texas authorities.

    “They will. Kids will turn on you if you tell them they can't smoke weed.”

    Listen at 49:38

  24. Joe Roganon CannabisNeutral49:42

    Cannabis is not killing people, according to Rogan.

    “They know weed's not killing anybody.”

    Listen at 49:42

  25. Joe Roganon Paddy PimblettPositive54:50

    Patty Pimblett is currently the most entertaining UFC fighter.

    “100 the most fun.”

    Listen at 54:50

  26. Joe Roganon Paddy PimblettPositive55:26

    Patty Pimblett is at least 5 feet 11 inches tall and physically thick.

    “At least 511 thick.”

    Listen at 55:26

  27. Patty Pimblett’s leg-assisted Darce choke had never previously occurred in UFC competition.

    “This has never been done in the UFC before.”

    Listen at 55:47

  28. Police officers should learn jiu-jitsu techniques like the padlock choke.

    “Should definitely know. Jujit.”

    Listen at 59:09

  29. Tiger Schulman’s has produced numerous elite and top-level MMA fighters.

    “They've developed a bunch of, like, elite. Elite fighters like Shane Burgos came out of there. A bunch of guys, like top level guys came out of Tiger Shulman's.”

    Listen at 1:01:47

  30. Having UFC fighters wear a gi would substantially change fight dynamics.

    “If fighters fought in a GI in the ufc, the fights would be completely different.”

    Listen at 1:03:30

  31. Ari Shaffiron Celebrity BoxingPositive1:05:03

    Celebrity boxing should be revived.

    “They should bring that back.”

    Listen at 1:05:03

  32. Joe Roganon Celebrity BoxingNegative1:06:01

    Celebrity boxing matches can be emotionally sad.

    “Those celebrity boxing matches, sometimes they're sad.”

    Listen at 1:06:01

  33. People take pleasure in celebrities’ downfall after they have achieved great fame.

    “When you've crashed, when you've made it to great heights and then you've crashed, there's people that revel in that.”

    Listen at 1:07:15

  34. Mark Normandon EnglandNegative1:10:36

    England is strongly hostile toward immigrants.

    “I'm not. It's rough. They hate immigrants so hard.”

    Listen at 1:10:36

  35. UK landlords require three years of rental history to rent apartments.

    “You can't rent an apartment unless you have 3 years of UK rental experience.”

    Listen at 1:11:06

  36. Gain-of-function research makes viruses more transmissible and deadly using taxpayer funding.

    “What they're doing is making viruses more. More transmissible and more deadly. And they're working on it. Your tax dollars are at work.”

    Listen at 1:17:33

  37. The Soviets engineered bubonic plague to cause euphoria during its first 24 hours.

    “They made a plague, the bubonic plague, that the first 24 hours they spliced in a thing that makes it. You feel euphoric.”

    Listen at 1:17:41

  38. mRNA vaccination was associated with a 10.8% cumulative miscarriage rate.

    “Cumulative miscarriage rate of 10.8% from 6 to 20 weeks with after MRNA vaccination.”

    Listen at 1:20:11

  39. The reported 81–82% miscarriage rate was a misleading recalculation of preliminary registry data.

    “Claim from early 2021 pregnancy registry report showed an 81 to 82% miscarriage rate. This is a misleading recalculation of preliminary registry data.”

    Listen at 1:20:57

  40. Joe Roganon AZTNegative1:22:22

    AZT was discontinued because it killed people faster than cancer.

    “AZT was a chemotherapy medication that they discontinued because he was killing people quicker than cancer.”

    Listen at 1:22:22

  41. Joe Roganon Arthur AsheNegative1:22:45

    Arthur Ashe received AZT while asymptomatic and died approximately six months later.

    “Arthur Ash didn't even have any symptoms and they just started giving him AZT and he was dead in like six months.”

    Listen at 1:22:45

  42. Trump is asserting that Biden’s autopen pardons are invalid.

    “they don't count. And this is what allegedly, supposedly Trump is saying, that they don't count and he's making them all null and void.”

    Listen at 1:26:27

  43. Iran was nowhere near capable of producing an actual nuclear bomb.

    “And he's like, they were nowhere near able to do that.”

    Listen at 1:31:13

  44. Joe Roganon IsraelNegative1:31:17

    Israel has long sought U.S. military action against Iran.

    “Israel has wanted us to bomb Iran forever.”

    Listen at 1:31:17

  45. Joe Roganon Mar-a-LagoPositive1:33:53

    Mar-a-Lago is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

    “Mar A Lago is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.”

    Listen at 1:33:53

  46. The lawsuits against Trump are frivolous and nonsensical.

    “they're going after him using all these lawsuits that are frivolous. They don't make any sense.”

    Listen at 1:34:04

  47. Cryptocurrency activity is shady but legal.

    “The thing about the crypto is it's shady as. But it's legal.”

    Listen at 1:34:26

  48. Joe Roganon Donald John TrumpPositive1:35:31

    Donald Trump reported over $1.4 billion in cryptocurrency-related income for 2025.

    “Donald Trump reported more than 1.4 billion in crypto related income from 2025”

    Listen at 1:35:31

  49. Influencers raise coin prices before gradually selling their holdings.

    “It raises up and they sell off little bits at a time.”

    Listen at 1:37:37

  50. Shane Gillison Shohei OhtaniPositive1:38:47

    Shohei Ohtani could become the best baseball player ever if he maintains his performance.

    “But last few years, he could be if he keeps doing what he's doing.”

    Listen at 1:38:47

  51. Joe Roganon Wade BoggsPositive1:40:59

    Wade Boggs beat cancer.

    “And he beat camera cancer.”

    Listen at 1:40:59

  52. Cameras have harmed young people.

    “Cameras have ruined young people.”

    Listen at 1:46:12

  53. Cameras and phones have damaged interpersonal connection.

    “Ruined everything in terms of, like, people's connection with each other.”

    Listen at 1:46:16

  54. Phone technology should have stopped at older phones.

    “The old phones, that was as far as we should have went.”

    Listen at 1:46:22

  55. Fight Companion episodes have attracted more views than UFC broadcasts.

    “We've done fight companions that got way more views than the actual UFC itself.”

    Listen at 1:50:39

  56. Shane Gillison Matt McCuskerPositive1:50:49

    Matt McCusker can answer football questions earnestly.

    “You can ask him about football and he'll answer earnestly.”

    Listen at 1:50:49

  57. A purported Tyler Robinson photo was altered by shrinking another, wider person.

    “what they had done was taken a guy who's, like, much wider than Tyler Robinson and shrunken.”

    Listen at 2:01:40

  58. Robert O’Neill probably shot bin Laden after he was already dead.

    “he probably shot a guy who was already dead.”

    Listen at 2:03:51

  59. Bin Laden’s identity was established through analysis of his shadow.

    “they found out it was him from his shadow.”

    Listen at 2:04:13

  60. U.S. forces knew bin Laden’s location long before the raid.

    “they knew where he was a long time before they attacked.”

    Listen at 2:04:21

  61. Early access to market-moving Trump posts constitutes insider trading.

    “It's literally insider trading.”

    Listen at 2:06:12

  62. Joe Roganon Trump coinPositive2:07:52

    The Trump coin is not illegal.

    “It's not illegal.”

    Listen at 2:07:52

  63. Marshall Rogan Coin promoters likely paid fighters for pump-and-dump promotion.

    “I assume what they were doing was a pump and dump and they were paying the fuck fighters.”

    Listen at 2:09:35

  64. Joe Roganon South KoreaNegative2:14:06

    South Korea will not reproduce sufficiently to avoid demographic decline.

    “However, they're not going to reproduce.”

    Listen at 2:14:06

  65. The CIA actively favors disseminating disinformation.

    “They love disinformation.”

    Listen at 2:21:34

  66. Shane Gillison DrakeNegative2:22:11

    Drake’s absence caused a decline in U.S. hip-hop.

    “the reason hip hop's down right now in the United States is sweet Jersey. Drake was gone.”

    Listen at 2:22:11

  67. Joe Roganon saunaPositive2:33:44

    People should use a sauna every day to maintain health and resilience.

    “get in the sauna every day.”

    Listen at 2:33:44

  68. The United Kingdom controlled Palestine before Israel’s establishment.

    “you controlled it before Israel.”

    Listen at 2:35:08

  69. A parasite acquired in Brazil caused Mark Normand’s diarrhea.

    “I have had diarrhea for five months from a parasite I got in Brazil.”

    Listen at 2:37:02

  70. Joe Roganon IvermectinPositive2:38:10

    Ivermectin is intended to treat parasitic infections.

    “That's what it's for. It's an anti parasitical.”

    Listen at 2:38:10

  71. Joe Roganon Carnivore dietPositive2:38:52

    People with digestive problems should eat only meat.

    “You need to eat only meat.”

    Listen at 2:38:52

  72. Joe Rogan values locating his comedy club in a troubled area.

    “I love being in the middle of the shit. That's part of why I like putting that club there.”

    Listen at 2:42:27

  73. Joe Rogan's comedy club benefits its neighborhood by attracting spending.

    “It helps the rest of the neighborhood. It really does, because it brings in a bunch of people that are there to have a good time. They're spending money.”

    Listen at 2:42:34

  74. Joe Roganon LettuceNegative2:43:26

    Lettuce is harmful to health.

    “lettuce is not good for you.”

    Listen at 2:43:26

  75. Joe Roganon Carnivore dietPositive2:43:27

    People should eat only meat rather than lettuce.

    “She need only meat.”

    Listen at 2:43:27

  76. Ulysses S. Grant's presidency is worthy of evaluation.

    “President's rule, by the way, Ulysses S. Grant.”

    Listen at 2:59:59

  77. Ulysses S. Grant was an excellent historical figure.

    “Grant rules.”

    Listen at 3:00:14

  78. Shane Gillison Free healthcarePositive3:05:44

    Providing free healthcare would be beneficial.

    “That would be a good move.”

    Listen at 3:05:44

  79. Free healthcare does not constitute communism.

    “That's not communism.”

    Listen at 3:05:52

  80. The country should provide healthcare and education.

    “We should have health care and education.”

    Listen at 3:05:54

  81. The country should organize support around community-wide care.

    “You should treat the entire country like it's a community.”

    Listen at 3:05:56

  82. Joe Roganon BillionairesNegative3:06:16

    Extreme billionaire wealth causes resentment among people with less.

    “They turn on them because they. Why do you have so much when people have so little?”

    Listen at 3:06:16

  83. Homelessness nonprofits funnel received funding to corrupt insiders.

    “the amount of money that they get is all going to corrupt people that are funneling into their own bank accounts.”

    Listen at 3:06:32

  84. A Los Angeles homelessness-services CEO earned $1.6 million over two years.

    “The Hobo, the CEO of the homeless thing in LA, made $1.6 million in the last two years.”

    Listen at 3:07:01

  85. The failing Los Angeles homelessness provider CEO's salary is unjustifiable.

    “There's no way someone could justify you getting that salary when you're objectively failing.”

    Listen at 3:07:16

  86. A higher minimum wage is not inherently harmful.

    “higher minimum wage is not the worst thing in the world.”

    Listen at 3:07:26

  87. Joe Roganon Wealth taxPositive3:07:39

    Higher taxes on wealthy people would improve public welfare if spent effectively.

    “if you paid more taxes, it was going to go to make everybody feel better, the world would be better.”

    Listen at 3:07:39

  88. Joe Roganon Spencer PrattPositive3:08:19

    Spencer Pratt is intelligent and knowledgeable about Los Angeles homelessness issues.

    “he's actually a very smart guy and he's really well read in this stuff. He really understands.”

    Listen at 3:08:19

  89. California spent $24 billion on homelessness while conditions worsened.

    “They spent $24 billion on the homeless problem in California, and it only got worse.”

    Listen at 3:08:44

  90. Gavin Newsom blocked an audit of California homelessness spending.

    “when they tried to do an audit, Newsom vetoed it. He wouldn't let them do an audit”

    Listen at 3:08:48

  91. Ari Shaffiron Robert E. LeePositive3:09:13

    Robert E. Lee was a capable military general.

    “Robert E. Lee was a good general.”

    Listen at 3:09:13

  92. A film like Naked Gun can be made today with independent financing.

    “Yeah, could, but you'd have to finance it independently.”

    Listen at 3:13:00

  93. Joe Roganon NetflixNeutral3:14:20

    Netflix exercises little creative control over some productions.

    “And it seems like Netflix has very little to say. You just kind of do it and give it.”

    Listen at 3:14:20

  94. Shane Gillison NetflixNeutral3:14:25

    Netflix has never changed anything in Shane Gillis’s productions.

    “They've never changed anything.”

    Listen at 3:14:25

  95. Shane Gillison KylaPositive3:16:48

    Kyla performs very well in the current season.

    “She does so well this season.”

    Listen at 3:16:48

  96. Shane Gillison Bobby LeePositive3:17:03

    Bobby Lee delivers an excellent performance this season.

    “Bobby Lee's in it this season. Fully starve, fully killed. Fully.”

    Listen at 3:17:03

  97. London does not have an immigration problem.

    “There's no immigration problem in London.”

    Listen at 3:19:49

  98. Immigrants face substantial difficulty obtaining housing in London.

    “It's very difficult to get a house as an immigrant.”

    Listen at 3:19:53

  99. College football is far superior to soccer.

    “Also, by the way, college football destroys soccer.”

    Listen at 3:20:13

  100. Joe Roganon Bow and arrowPositive3:22:11

    A bow and arrow can kill a person.

    “100% can kill a person.”

    Listen at 3:22:11

  101. Shane Gillison The NorthmanPositive3:22:24

    Shane Gillis now considers The Northman an excellent film.

    “I rewatched it last night. It's so sick.”

    Listen at 3:22:24

  102. Robert Eggers’s Nosferatu is the greatest vampire movie ever made.

    “Nosferat. Greatest vampire movie of all time.”

    Listen at 3:22:48

  103. Mark Normandon ObsessionPositive3:23:06

    Obsession is among the best movies ever made.

    “Obsession was like one of the best movies of all time.”

    Listen at 3:23:06

  104. Ari Shaffiron Saudi ArabiaPositive3:29:58

    Saudi Arabian hosts were exceptionally hospitable during Ari Shaffir’s visit.

    “They couldn't been more hospitable.”

    Listen at 3:29:58

  105. The Saudi festival targeted right-wing comedians, who mostly declined participation.

    “They went after the right wing comics, and the right wing comics are the only ones that go no.”

    Listen at 3:30:41

  106. Shane Gillison Chelsea HandlerPositive3:30:56

    Chelsea Handler is doing well and deserves support.

    “She's doing good. Support her.”

    Listen at 3:30:56

  107. Ari Shaffiron Chelsea HandlerPositive3:31:03

    Chelsea Handler delivered a strong comedy set.

    “She had a good set. She killed.”

    Listen at 3:31:03

  108. Joe Roganon Social mediaNegative3:31:12

    Social media has harmful effects on people’s behavior.

    “That's why social media sucks.”

    Listen at 3:31:12

  109. Joe Roganon cold plungingPositive3:35:21

    Cold-plunge exposure has acclimated Joe Rogan to cold temperatures.

    “I'm used to the cold plunge. I can take cold temperatures.”

    Listen at 3:35:21

  110. Joe Roganon Raw milkPositive3:36:19

    Raw milk with cream is recommended for coating the throat.

    “You should really get raw milk with all the creams in it. That's the move.”

    Listen at 3:36:19

  111. Autism in the Amish community occurs only among vaccinated adopted children.

    “The only people in the Amish community have autism is adopted kids that were already vaccinated.”

    Listen at 3:36:50

  112. Amish children are not vaccinated with aluminum- and mercury-containing vaccines.

    “They're not vaccinated. They don't take kids and just jab them up filled with aluminum and mercury.”

    Listen at 3:37:00

  113. Autism incidence is significantly lower among the Amish.

    “However, the instance of autism are significantly lower.”

    Listen at 3:37:29

  114. Joe Roganon ComancheNeutral3:43:13

    The Comanche controlled Texas and Oklahoma for an extended historical period.

    “Empire of the Summer Moon is all about the Comanche and about how they controlled Texas and Oklahoma.”

    Listen at 3:43:13

  115. Taylor Sheridan’s historical series accurately depicts settlers crossing America by wagon.

    “Was the most grandfather, really it was the most accurate. Accurate depiction of what it was like for these crazy settlers on wagons to try to make it through India.”

    Listen at 3:44:14

  116. Joe Roganon Historical statuesPositive3:45:17

    People should accept historical statues while society learns to improve.

    “You just got to accept the fact that we're learning how to be better people.”

    Listen at 3:45:17

  117. Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History is the greatest history podcast ever.

    “Dan Carlin's hardcore history is the greatest podcast on history ever.”

    Listen at 3:47:58

  118. Joe Roganon All-male armiesNegative3:50:53

    Long-term isolation in all-male armies caused widespread same-sex behavior.

    “When you go back to armies, when armies were like a bunch of dudes just out in the field together for years at a time. They all got gay.”

    Listen at 3:50:53

  119. Joe Roganon Ancient SpartansNeutral3:51:04

    Ancient Spartans engaged in extensive same-sex relationships.

    “Spartans were gay as and they were happened.”

    Listen at 3:51:04

  120. Ancient Greeks lacked a neutral identity term equivalent to modern “gay.”

    “Greeks did not have a single neutral word equivalent to the modern identity term gay.”

    Listen at 3:52:23

  121. A Papua New Guinean warrior tradition separated six-year-old boys from their parents.

    “The semen warriors of Papua New guinea, they would take a child when they were six years old and he would have an anal father and they would be literally removed from their parents”

    Listen at 3:53:07

  122. Christian missionaries ended the described Papua New Guinean practice.

    “And the only thing that stopped them was Christian missionaries.”

    Listen at 3:53:40

  123. Spartans lacked modern orientation categories and expected men to marry women.

    “Ancient Spartan Spartans did not use sexual orientation categories like gay, straight and Spartan men were generally expected to marry women and produce citizen children.”

    Listen at 3:56:00

  124. Iran’s restrictions on homosexuality explain transgender identification there.

    “Because it's illegal to be gay.”

    Listen at 3:56:27

  125. Joe Roganon Joe RoganNeutral3:57:34

    Joe Rogan claims he has Neanderthal genetic ancestry.

    “I got Neanderthal jeans, man. That's a fact.”

    Listen at 3:57:34

  126. Joe Roganon Nicotine pouchesNegative3:59:32

    Nicotine users develop tolerance to nicotine pouches.

    “You do develop a tolerance for.”

    Listen at 3:59:32

  127. Stopping caffeine consumption caused Joe Rogan’s headaches.

    “And then I decided, let me take some time off of caffeine. I got headaches.”

    Listen at 4:00:40

  128. Dominican and Nicaraguan cigars are very good.

    “The Dominican ones, the Nicaragua ones are very good.”

    Listen at 4:01:18

  129. Mark Normandon Cuban cigarsNegative4:01:21

    Cuban cigars are no longer the best cigars today.

    “Nowadays, Cubans are not the best anymore.”

    Listen at 4:01:21

  130. Chinese ownership reduced Cuban cigar ingredients and quality.

    “China bought them out and they cut, they slashed ingredients and like quality.”

    Listen at 4:01:26

  131. Joe Roganon Child sacrificeNegative4:02:27

    Child sacrifice has definitely occurred historically.

    “That's happened in history. Yeah, in history. We know it's happened 100 no if, ands or buts.”

    Listen at 4:02:27

  132. Joe Roganon Human sacrificeNegative4:03:18

    Some societies believed human sacrifice produced prosperity and wealth.

    “There was a time where people thought that you had to sacrifice human beings in order to make like prosperity and wealth for sure”

    Listen at 4:03:18

  133. Some people in parts of Africa claimed sex with a virgin could cure AIDS.

    “Psychos in parts of Africa where they were like, you can cure AIDS by a virgin.”

    Listen at 4:03:35

  134. Joe Roganon Virgin sacrificeNeutral4:04:05

    Virgin sacrifice is more common in myths than documented historical rituals.

    “Virgin sacrifice actually is far more common as a mythic and literary motif than as a well documented historical ritual.”

    Listen at 4:04:05

  135. Chronicler Díaz reported 80,000 Aztec sacrifices over four days.

    “This guy Diaz said that 80,000 people were sacrificed over the course of four. Four days.”

    Listen at 4:06:04

  136. Archaeologists continue discovering previously unknown Mesoamerican cities.

    “Dude, they're still finding cities. They're still finding these.”

    Listen at 4:06:46

  137. Historians consider Duran’s Aztec sacrifice figures doubtful and unresolved.

    “Historians treat Duran's figures as highly doubtful. Not an established count. Other early sources give sharply different totals.”

    Listen at 4:07:17

  138. Donald Trump is 80 years old.

    “It is kind of amazing that he's 80.”

    Listen at 4:14:06

  139. Trump’s birthday is June 14.

    “They did it June 14th, I believe, because it was Trump's birthday.”

    Listen at 4:14:24

  140. Ari Shaffiron Health insurancePositive4:17:59

    Ari believes lacking health insurance saved him money because he stayed healthy.

    “I haven't had health insurance in years and I've never had a health problem, so I feel like I saved.”

    Listen at 4:17:59

  141. Insurers’ business model allegedly relies on denying claims until customers abandon them.

    “their business model is like just say no and hopefully they go away.”

    Listen at 4:18:22

  142. Average Americans pay more for private healthcare than public healthcare would cost.

    “Average Americans pay more for private health care than it would cost to have.”

    Listen at 4:18:47

  143. Business interests and super PACs are deeply entangled with politics.

    “big business and corporations and super PACs and all these different things have gotten so deeply entwined in politics”

    Listen at 4:20:11

  144. Joe Roganon PoliticiansNegative4:21:01

    Politicians gradually seek increasing power and control.

    “They slowly want more and more power, more and more control”

    Listen at 4:21:01

  145. Basketball gambling is causing players to deliberately throw games.

    “the gambling on basketball. Now players are just fully throwing games”

    Listen at 4:23:55

  146. Internet activity should be regulated because it harms people.

    “Regulating that. It's so bad for people.”

    Listen at 4:26:11

  147. Joe Roganon Internet activityNegative4:26:14

    People should be taught to stay off the Internet.

    “you got to teach people to stay off it.”

    Listen at 4:26:14

  148. Joe Roganon Tech oligarchsNegative4:26:32

    Tech oligarchs control a large portion of narratives shaping society and the economy.

    “these tech oligarchs are really in control of a giant chunk of the narrative that shapes society, shapes our economy, shapes our, our social systems.”

    Listen at 4:26:32

  149. San Francisco should clear encampments, institutionalize some people, and provide addiction treatment.

    “Clean up the homeless encampments. You gotta put people in mental institutions. You gotta get them clean.”

    Listen at 4:29:47

  150. Changes to mental-institution policy contributed to visible homelessness.

    “they changed the whole distinction with mental institutions. They let people go and they just let them out. They were just wandering around.”

    Listen at 4:30:38

  151. California’s $4 billion homelessness spending increased homelessness rather than reducing it.

    “$4 billion California spent and done nothing but increase the homeless.”

    Listen at 4:33:25

  152. Homelessness is exploding in every major city.

    “every city, every big city, it explodes.”

    Listen at 4:33:35

  153. Joe Roganon Skid RowNeutral4:34:17

    Skid Row now spans 55 blocks.

    “Now it's 55 blocks.”

    Listen at 4:34:17

  154. Ari Shaffiron Skid RowNeutral4:34:25

    Skid Row has always been approximately its current size.

    “It's always been that size.”

    Listen at 4:34:25

  155. Los Angeles had roughly 10,000 homeless people in the 1930s versus 4,400 now.

    “back in the 30s, there was somewhere in the range of 10,000 homeless people there, and there's 4,400 now.”

    Listen at 4:34:28

  156. Skid Row currently has approximately 4,400 homeless people.

    “there's 4,400 now.”

    Listen at 4:34:32

  157. Los Angeles has more than 70,000 homeless people.

    “the estimate is somewhere north of 70,000.”

    Listen at 4:35:14

  158. Skid Row’s 55 blocks contain substantially more than 4,000 homeless people.

    “55 blocks is not 4,000 people. It's just not. It's a lot more than that.”

    Listen at 4:35:41

  159. Los Angeles County has approximately 73,000 homeless people, including 45,000 in the city.

    “Los Angeles has approximately 73,000 homeless people in Los Angeles county and 45,000 are the city of Los Angeles.”

    Listen at 4:35:57

  160. Los Angeles homelessness counts are inaccurate and poorly conducted.

    “they're not accurate. They're not doing a great job of it.”

    Listen at 4:36:10

  161. Los Angeles homelessness increased only 3% over the preceding two years.

    “It's only a 3% increase over two years earlier”

    Listen at 4:36:13

  162. Los Angeles may have approximately 100,000 homeless people, but officials do not know.

    “It's probably 100,000. They don't even know.”

    Listen at 4:36:21

  163. People move to Los Angeles for homelessness services and favorable weather.

    “People move there just for the services and the weather.”

    Listen at 4:36:23

  164. People can survive sleeping on Los Angeles streets.

    “You could survive sleeping on the street.”

    Listen at 4:36:28

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What people are saying

Shane Gillis turns Protect Our Parks into a four-hour challenge to Rogan’s politics

Episode reactions

  • The four-and-a-half-hour conversation’s early and sustained focus on politics prompted complaints that Protect Our Parks had lost its comedy-first appeal.
  • Clips of Shane Gillis calling Trump’s $100,000 early-access tweet scheme “literally insider trading” became the episode’s clearest viral moment.
  • Gillis’s support for universal healthcare triggered sharply divided reactions, with critics accusing him of abandoning his previous political persona.
  • Smaller comic moments surfaced too, including Ari Shaffir and Gillis arguing over how to pronounce “derby.”

Wider topic conversation

  • Gillis’s healthcare comments sparked a wider argument over whether publicly funded care is socialism, communism, or simply a social program.
  • Discussion broadened to Trump’s Truth Social data business, alleged insider trading, and Gillis’s decision to avoid a White House photo with Trump.
  • Many commenters debated whether Gillis is moving away from his earlier MAGA associations, while others viewed the shift as calculated rebranding.
  • Rogan’s recurring debates over vaccines, COVID testing, homelessness, and government spending continued to circulate beyond the episode itself.

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