Oct 3, 2026 · 18 min
DOGE insider weighs reform against Washington’s inertia
Former DOGE Insider Reveals What Musk’s Team Was Really Like
Tyler Hassen offers an inside account of DOGE’s operational ambitions, limited deficit results, and the institutional resistance facing government reform.
- 1Tyler Hassen says DOGE uncovered fragmented systems, automatic contracts, and substantial waste at the Department of the Interior.
- 2He acknowledges DOGE fell short of its deficit-reduction goal while arguing its findings could support longer-term reforms.
- 3Hassen portrays Elon Musk as deeply engaged in agency reviews and defends young DOGE staffers as qualified and closely supervised.
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Hassen describes consolidating thousands of Department of the Interior contracts to reveal waste within fragmented systems.
The brief
Tyler Hassen says concern about the national debt led him into DOGE, where he joined a young team working to reduce waste across federal agencies.
At the Department of the Interior, Hassen found capable career employees working within fragmented HR and IT systems, then consolidated thousands of contracts to identify waste.
His account turns on a central tension: DOGE encountered contracts and processes running on autopilot, while the system rewarded officials for avoiding risky decisions.
Hassen concedes DOGE did not reduce the deficit as much as intended, but argues its examples of waste and fraud could make future reform more credible.
He describes Elon Musk as highly engaged in lengthy agency reviews and defends young staffers whose decisions drew criticism, citing their résumés, supervision, and agency collaboration.
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