Tania de Jong
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Tania de Jong is an Australian soprano, social entrepreneur, businesswoman, motivational speaker, and event producer. She founded Creative Innovation Global, Creative Universe, Creativity Australia, Dimension5, Music Theatre Australia, Pot-Pourri, and the Song Room, and co-founded Mind Medicine Australia, an organization focused on the development of psychedelic-assisted therapies.
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Australia’s psychedelic-medicine positioning could help many people.
“if Australia could start to position itself in this space, that there might be a chance to heal a lot of people”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 12:45
MDMA and psilocybin should be rescheduled for clinical use.
“we wanted to make an application to move these medicines from prohibited substances, which in Australia was called Schedule 9, but in the US is called Schedule 1, to a Schedule 8 medicine, which is a controlled medicine, so that it could be used in clinical environments”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 14:13
Mind Medicine Australia has trained more than 750 clinicians.
“we've already trained now over 750 clinicians”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 22:24
Several psychedelic medicines may become registered within six months.
“Over the next 6 months or so, we anticipate a number of these medicines becoming registered medicines.”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 27:11
Australian psychedelic-assisted treatments are producing 60–80% remission rates.
“we are seeing 60 to 80% remission rates in Australia”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 46:57
No serious adverse events have occurred among treated Australian patients.
“And there's been no serious adverse events.”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 47:13
Australia may treat about 5,000 patients with these medicines within three years.
“maybe 5,000 is a realistic number”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 53:50
- on Australian psychedelic-assisted therapy safety reportingPositiveSep 18, 2026· The Tim Ferriss Show
No serious adverse events have been reported to Australia’s TGA.
“this is what can show the government— well, firstly, they know there's been no adverse events, serious ones, because there's been nothing reported to the TGA.”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 57:26
- on Psychedelic treatments versus existing PTSD and depression treatmentsPositiveSep 18, 2026· The Tim Ferriss Show
Psychedelic treatments may outperform existing treatments on remission rates.
“these remission rates around 60 to 80%, that's compared against 10 to 15% for existing treatments for PTSD and psilocybin with MDMA and psilocybin treatment for depression and trauma in Australia at the moment. So 10 to 15% versus 60 to 80% remission rates”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 57:37
Australian public and private payers are funding psychedelic treatments for eligible patients.
“we now have the Department of Veterans Affairs who are supporting treatments for veterans. We have the National Disability Insurance Scheme also funding treatments. And we have Medibank, which is our largest health insurer, who have basically said that any eligible gold members of Medibank can get pretty much the whole treatment cost paid apart from a couple of thousand dollars.”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 58:20
Psilocybin combined with Syrian rue can suit appropriate clients.
“I think it's a great protocol for the right clients.”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:02:32
Syrian rue may amplify psilocybin experiences two- to tenfold.
“it expanded the visuals and the whole experience between 2 to 10 times”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:03:53
Psilocybin microdosing may relieve cluster headaches and migraines.
“A lot of people I know use psilocybin to microdose to remove their cluster headaches and their migraines.”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:09:49
Group psychedelic sessions and integration may offer important benefits.
“there is also something very much to be said for doing this in groups”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:12:02
Antidepressant remission rates do not increase over time like psychedelic-treatment rates can.
“that is not something that would ever happen with an antidepressant”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:25:00
Psychedelic-treatment remission can increase with effective integration work.
“in this case you have those 2 or 3 doses maximum, then you're having the psychotherapy and your remission is increasing if you engage well with the integration sessions”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:25:13
Psychedelic treatments should use careful screening, supervision, and integration.
“we believe that these treatments should be done in very careful ways”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:30:08
One Australian psychedelic treatment costs about A$8,000 including screening.
“it starts at about $8,000 Australian dollars, which is about $5,000, let's say, US dollars, for one treatment including the screening”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:32:52
Therapist time, rather than medicine, accounts for most treatment cost.
“the majority of that cost is therapeutic time, like the medicine. So we've enabled the medicines to come into Australia at the cheapest possible price. Like the medicine is like a tiny little percentage of the cost that I've just mentioned. It's all about therapeutic time.”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:34:28
Ketamine treatment usually requires repeated use.
“the problem about ketamine is that it needs to be used over and over in most cases.”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:38:59
Global psychedelic regulation will shift substantially within months.
“there's going to be huge shifts globally over the next few months”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:47:50
A MAPS-related psychedelic medicine may receive approval after an executive order.
“I think that's going to come through as well, especially given that the president's given that executive order.”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:48:06
More countries may adopt Australia’s psychedelic-prescribing model.
“a lot more countries hopefully are going to be following Australia”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:48:19
Mind Medicine Australia aims to raise A$2.5 million for patient access.
“our goal is to raise at the moment $2.5 million”
Open the episode · #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughListen at 1:55:03
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