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Tesla margins collapse as Australian blockchain unicorn Immutable stumbles

Tesla Going Down...Down, Immutable’s Massive Fall and Australia’s Unicorn Bubble

The dual struggles of Tesla and Immutable expose how market hype and lofty valuation premiums are being tested by harsh financial realities.

3 key takeaways
  1. 1Tesla faces a steep margin decline from price cuts, testing whether its valuation relies on business metrics or the Elon Musk religion.
  2. 2Waymo remains a formidable competitor in autonomous driving, challenging Tesla's long-term self-driving narrative.
  3. 3Australian blockchain gaming giant Immutable is pivoting to artificial intelligence amid falling revenues and heavy losses.

Don't miss

The detailed breakdown of Immutable's financial struggles and its sudden pivot to artificial intelligence to escape the Web3 downturn.

The brief

Tesla is facing a stark financial reality as price cuts drive a 57 percent collapse in operating income, even as vehicle sales reach record highs, sparking a debate on whether the company is valued on business fundamentals or the cult of Elon Musk.

While Tesla bulls point to a future dominated by autonomous driving, the company faces stiff competition from established players like Waymo, raising questions about whether its massive valuation premium can actually be sustained.

Meanwhile, Australia's tech ecosystem is grappling with the deflation of its own startup bubble, exemplified by the dramatic struggles of Immutable, a blockchain gaming unicorn once valued at 3.5 billion dollars.

Faced with plunging revenues and massive losses, Immutable is attempting a pivot to artificial intelligence, a move that highlights how struggling Web3 startups are turning to the next big tech trend to survive.

What was said on this episode

27 statements · 5 positive · 20 negative · 1 mixed · 1 neutral

  1. Tesla is the world's most overpriced car business.

    “there's only one world's most overpriced car business. Tesla.”

    Listen at 0:29

  2. Tesla's Full Self-Driving subscribers rose 56% year over year to about 1.48 million.

    “that actually was up 56% year, year on year and that hit I think 1.48 million people”

    Listen at 2:00

  3. Adam Schwabon Tesla, Inc.Negative2:28

    Tesla remains extremely overvalued at a trillion-dollar valuation.

    “This is still a trillion dollars crazy.”

    Listen at 2:28

  4. Tesla's robo-taxi business appears to be shrinking rather than growing.

    “actually appears to be shrinking”

    Listen at 2:51

  5. Tesla operates fewer than 100 robo-taxis one year after launch.

    “Tesla doesn't even have 100 robo taxis in operation.”

    Listen at 3:01

  6. Elon Musk's businesses tend to perform well when he focuses on them.

    “Elon, whatever he focuses on at any point in time tends to do well.”

    Listen at 4:22

  7. Tesla will become a self-driving electric-car company.

    “I think that's almost certainly what they're going to be.”

    Listen at 5:10

  8. Adam Schwabon WaymoPositive5:21

    Waymo is years ahead of Tesla in self-driving technology.

    “Waymo, which we talked about last episode, we think is way ahead of Tesla in this. It's years ahead.”

    Listen at 5:21

  9. Tesla's self-driving upside may be worth about $75 billion.

    “maybe the Tesla self driving upside's worth 75 billion if I'm being generous”

    Listen at 5:47

  10. At least $800 million of Tesla's valuation reflects investor faith in Elon Musk.

    “I think that $800 million of this valuation at least is on the Elon religion”

    Listen at 7:02

  11. Elon Musk's business status is driven substantially by fame and wealth rather than operations.

    “Elon Musk is the Kardashians. Is the Kardashians of business. He's famous for being famous. He's rich for being rich.”

    Listen at 10:45

  12. Tesla and SpaceX's combined market value fell from $3.8 trillion to about $2.7 trillion.

    “this is 3.8 trillion of market value for a business we thought was worth a couple hundred billion max. That's now dropped to about 2.7.”

    Listen at 11:11

  13. Tesla and SpaceX are approximately 98% overvalued relative to rational valuation.

    “We're 98% overvalued here”

    Listen at 11:47

  14. Adam Schwabon Tesla, Inc.Negative13:23

    Tesla is realistically worth about $30 billion as a business.

    “It's probably realistically a $30 billion business”

    Listen at 13:23

  15. Adam Schwabon ImmutableNegative15:54

    Immutable's business appears to be failing after being substantially overhyped.

    “the wheels feel like they're coming off this overhyped business”

    Listen at 15:54

  16. Gamers strongly dislike monetization of in-game assets.

    “What gamers hate is monetization of in game assets.”

    Listen at 16:27

  17. Adam Schwabon ImmutableNegative20:34

    Immutable's revenue fell to $50 million while it lost $37 million despite its $3.5 billion valuation.

    “revenue actually fell. This is a $3.5 billion billion dollar business fell from US51 million to US $50 million. It lost US $37 million”

    Listen at 20:34

  18. Immutable's token, which supported its 2022 valuation, has fallen approximately 99%.

    “Immutables token which is where to me which is where the 2022 valuation came from. That's down a lazy 99.”

    Listen at 24:07

  19. Adam Schwabon ImmutableNegative24:25

    Immutable's token collapse destroyed the business's purported network effect and inherent value.

    “As soon as the token dropped, this business had no inherent. The whole fake network effect fell apart.”

    Listen at 24:25

  20. Adam Schwabon ImmutableNegative24:34

    Immutable is worth zero because it loses $37 million annually.

    “Yeah, absolutely. It's losing $37 million a year.”

    Listen at 24:34

  21. Adir Shiffmanon BitcoinNeutral26:10

    Bitcoin is an asset rather than a currency.

    “What I certainly understood is this is no currency. This is assets.”

    Listen at 26:10

  22. Adir Shiffmanon ImmutableNegative31:45

    Immutable failed to deliver the speculative returns investors expected and is not a business.

    “And it didn't. And so I think that's the whole story of this thing. And it turned out it's not a business.”

    Listen at 31:45

  23. Adir Shiffmanon ImmutableNegative33:18

    Immutable investors are unlikely to recover their money if the company is liquidated.

    “when this thing is liquidated, you ain't getting your money back.”

    Listen at 33:18

  24. Adam Schwabon ImmutableNegative34:34

    Immutable's probability of retaining a billion-dollar valuation is effectively zero.

    “But effectively zero. Look, what do you think?”

    Listen at 34:34

  25. Very few businesses with Immutable's stagnant revenue recover, though recovery is possible.

    “there are very few businesses that stall their revenue at this level and recover. But not zero.”

    Listen at 34:43

  26. Adam Schwabon ImmutableNegative35:23

    Immutable is unlikely to succeed through its proposed business pivot.

    “I don't think this is a pivotable business.”

    Listen at 35:23

  27. Companies rarely succeed after a complete business pivot.

    “It's very hard to pull that off. This is.”

    Listen at 35:55

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