Sep 14, 2026 · 40 min
Soul Patts bets patience beats prediction
A century of compounding: inside Soul Patts' permanent capital with Todd Barlow
Todd Barlow explains how permanent capital lets Soul Patts hold cash, resist crowded private markets, and pursue long-term opportunities without fund-life pressure.
- 1Permanent capital gives Soul Patts flexibility to wait, invest its own balance sheet, and avoid forced exits.
- 2Nearly $3 billion in cash reflects caution about crowded private credit and uncertainty across public and real-asset markets.
- 3Soul Patts maintains conviction in energy while rejecting Bitcoin and treating data centres as difficult bets during technological change.
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Todd Barlow explains why Soul Patts is holding nearly $3 billion in cash and waiting for opportunities that meet its standards.
The brief
Todd Barlow, CEO of Washington H. Soul Pattinson, describes how a former pharmacy chain became a permanent-capital investment house built around patience and opportunity.
Permanent capital lets Soul Patts invest its own balance sheet without fund-life constraints, giving it freedom to hold cash and wait rather than force a decision.
Barlow explains why the company is cautious about private credit and data centres, where abundant capital and rapid technological change can obscure the margin of safety.
The firm still backs energy and New Hope despite coal’s unpopularity, arguing that long-term demand matters more than changing market fashion.
Barlow rejects Bitcoin because it falls outside his circle of competence, capturing the episode’s broader preference for understandable investments and no-regrets decisions.
What was said on this episode
31 statements · 22 positive · 3 negative · 3 mixed · 3 neutral
SolPats has approximately $16 billion market capitalization and ranks within the ASX 50.
“Today we've got about 85,000 shareholders, about a $16 billion market cap, which places us inside the top ASX 50.”
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SolPats invests patiently, with a disciplined long-term approach.
“We are patient, long-term, disciplined investors.”
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SolPats seeks portfolio assets that protect capital during downturns.
“We're looking for a portfolio that has defensive qualities, so it protects capital in downtimes.”
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SolPats has increased its dividend annually for 27 years.
“in the last 27 years, we've been growing the dividend every year”
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SolPats dividend compound annual growth exceeded 10% over 27 years.
“in the last 27 years, the compound annual growth rate's been over 10%.”
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SolPats aims to continue increasing its dividend.
“our strategy is to aim to continue to grow the dividend.”
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SolPats distributes approximately 75% of generated cash as dividends.
“we're paying out about 75% of the cash that we generate.”
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SolPats’ permanent capital structure avoids redemption risk and liquidity needs.
“we don't have any redemption risk. We don't have liquidity needs”
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Permanent capital enables SolPats to pursue illiquidity premiums and long-term investments.
“we can take long-term views, we can capture that premium for illiquidity”
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SolPats allocates capital opportunistically as investment opportunities change.
“we go where the opportunities are and that evolves over time.”
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SolPats’ portfolio is regenerated as superior investment ideas displace existing holdings.
“the best ideas win out. So you get this nice healthy regeneration of the portfolio.”
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US private credit contains areas of concern after substantial inflows.
“there are some areas of concern”
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Private-credit inflows have worsened pricing and lending terms through competitive deployment pressure.
“they've sharpened the prices and loosened the terms because they want to get money out the door”
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SolPats uses underlying equity as a buffer and margin of safety in private credit.
“we think about the equity as being the buffer or the margin of safety.”
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SolPats’ private-credit portfolio returned 13–14% annually over four or five years.
“Our portfolio's been doing 13 to 14% returns for the last 4 or 5 years”
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Large-cap stocks are relatively well priced while smaller mid-caps have been left behind.
“large cap stocks are quite well priced, but they're leaving behind some of the smaller mid-cap stocks”
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Smaller and mid-cap stocks offer attractive value opportunities.
“there is some good value at that smaller end.”
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SolPats holds just under $3 billion in cash.
“cash has certainly increased a lot. I mean, we're sitting on about just shy of $3 billion in cash at the moment.”
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Cash represents approximately 20% of SolPats’ total portfolio.
“About 20%.”
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Fixed income is currently an attractive place to deploy capital.
“fixed income is actually a good place to deploy.”
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Liquidity enables SolPats to buy equities after market selloffs make them cheap.
“it'll be the liquidity that gives us the opportunity to strike when things get sold off and become really cheap.”
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Energy demand is a strong long-term investment theme.
“energy is a really strong thematic”
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Asian coal demand is expected to continue growing.
“in Asia, it's still coal and, and continues to be coal, not only holding their coal demand but actually growing it”
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Coal will remain safe and demanded by Asian countries for the next 20 years.
“for the next 20 years coal will be very safe and certainly demanded by our Asian neighbours.”
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Coal prices fell to $50 per tonne before rising to $400 per tonne.
“coal got down to $50 a tonne and then rocketed up to $400 a tonne.”
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SolPats’ industrial property asset class generated approximately 20% IRR for 15–20 years.
“It was probably a 20% IRR asset class for 15 to 20 years.”
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AI will be transformative, but its ultimate investment winners are currently difficult to identify.
“AI will come and it will be amazing, and it's just really hard to determine now who the ultimate winners will be.”
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Energy is a relatively low-regret way to invest in AI-related growth.
“energy is a low regret trade.”
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Cloud-based data centres retain industrial-property downside support if they fail.
“there's still an industrial property sort of backstop.”
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Europe may offer more distressed investment opportunities than the United States.
“we think that Europe's got maybe a little bit more distress.”
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Todd Barlow does not expect SolPats to invest in Bitcoin because he does not understand it.
“I can't see that happening. It's not something I understand.”
Listen at 37:28
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