Sep 6, 2026 · 12 min
Post-9/11 missteps reshaped Russia and China’s view of America
9/11 changed America's place in the world. What did Russia and China learn?
The episode traces how wars, crises, and withdrawals weakened U.S. credibility while strengthening confidence in Russian and Chinese alternatives.
- 1Initial post-9/11 cooperation gave way to distrust as the Iraq War exposed the risks of unilateral American power.
- 2The 2008 financial crisis and Afghanistan withdrawal reinforced Chinese confidence and Russian doubts about U.S. staying power.
- 3Putin’s response to the Arab Spring and Libya helped shape a more defensive, confrontational view of Western intentions.
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The brief
The episode opens with U.S. diplomacy in Moscow and Kyiv, where warmer remarks toward Vladimir Putin signal a striking shift from America’s earlier support for Ukraine.
Mikhail Ziger and Cindy Yu examine how the early post-9/11 relationship brought the United States, Russia, and China into limited cooperation before Iraq changed the equation.
The Iraq invasion, 2008 financial crisis, Arab Spring, and Afghanistan withdrawal each offered Russia and China evidence about American power, resilience, and credibility.
China’s recovery strengthened confidence in its economic model, while Muammar Gaddafi’s fall helped shape Putin’s belief that Western intervention threatened political survival.
The central argument is that U.S. confidence in spreading democracy abroad overstretched its capabilities and helped produce today’s altered balance of power.
Featuring
Cindy Yu
Vladimir Putin
United States
Ukraine
Russian FederationListen to the full episode and explore every guest, topic, and moment on PodLume.