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The Contrarians with Adam and Adir
The Contrarians with Adam and Adir

Sep 14, 2026 · 1h 19m

Judd weighs debt risks as AI reshapes investing

Live Show, Macro Investing King Chris Judd joins, Apple’s $3,500 Foldable Bet, Australia’s Housing Mess, Cogstate and the Firmus Moneyshot

The episode connects Australia’s housing strain and Apple’s pricing power to a broader question about debt, inflation, and whether AI infrastructure can earn its enormous investment.

3 key takeaways
  1. 1Australia’s housing and rental pressures expose how leverage, weak confidence, and limited economic resilience can destroy property equity.
  2. 2Apple’s foldable iPhone tests whether brand strength, ecosystem lock-in, and luxury positioning can sustain an unusually high price.
  3. 3Chris Judd favors long-only exposure to founder-led businesses with durable growth while treating debt, inflation, and AI infrastructure as major risks.

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Chris Judd lays out how government debt and interest costs could lead policymakers toward inflation or currency devaluation instead of a conventional crash.

The brief

From a live Melbourne stage, Adam and Adir examine Australia’s rental and housing crisis, including how policy, interest rates, and leverage can turn falling prices into destroyed equity.

The hosts then test two powerful stories: Apple’s ability to sell a premium foldable iPhone and the possibility that frontier AI valuations depend on circular financing and costly models.

Chris Judd, former AFL player and Cerity Macro Fund manager, explains why his long-only process favors durable secular growth, founder ownership, and disciplined behavior under pressure.

Judd’s macro warning is stark: high government debt, deficits, bond yields, and interest costs may push policymakers toward inflation or currency devaluation rather than a clean asset-price reset.

His stock examples—CogState, MAAS Group, Firmus, and data-center infrastructure—show both sides of the thesis: demographic demand and AI growth alongside funding, concentration, and political risks.

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