Aug 3, 2026 · 50 min
Former Flock insider details the company’s ICE pilot
Former Flock Employee Speaks Out: Says He Was ‘Lied To’
Jonathan Paz’s account connects municipal surveillance sales to internal decision-making, immigration enforcement concerns, and the limits of corporate transparency.
- 1Jonathan Paz describes selling license-plate cameras while managing privacy and civil-rights objections from local officials.
- 2He says assurances about Flock’s lack of ICE involvement conflicted with an internal pilot and local police searches for immigration enforcement.
- 3The conversation argues that public organizing can challenge surveillance companies more effectively than corporate messaging or isolated criticism.
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Paz describes learning that local police were conducting searches for ICE while an internal Flock pilot appeared to contradict the assurances he had repeatedly received.
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Jonathan Paz, a former Flock government affairs manager, describes selling automated license-plate cameras to municipalities while responding to privacy and civil-rights objections.
Paz says Flock’s public language emphasized transparency and regulation, even as employees relied on rehearsed arguments to calm city officials and advance deals.
The turning point came when Paz learned local police were searching for immigration-enforcement purposes and that an internal ICE-related pilot was moving forward despite repeated assurances.
He recounts discovering Flock cameras in Waltham without a public vote, budget process, policy, or ordinance, intensifying questions about accountability and political leverage.
The discussion ends with a broader argument: visible camera networks can galvanize opposition, but organizing is needed to challenge powerful surveillance companies.
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